Understanding the gun problem, in their own words
Interview with youth peace workers
Question: Is there a problem of guns in this area?
Answer: There are a lot of problems of guns, which have caused a lot of insecurity, a lot of deaths and a lot of destruction.
Question: Can you describe the problem?
Answer: In our locality we have this market down here where they bring goats and sheep that are transferred from Isiolo and Mandera along the borderline. When they arrive in the morning and they start offloading, you will see one that looks like it is dead. All of a sudden people just come and grab it and run with it. After some investigation you will learn that it was slaughtered and stuffed with guns inside and then sewn back. This is the method they use to transport guns. Secondly, the way they transport bullets. Mandera and Isiolo are very dry. They use lorries to transport water from the water points to those sides. When coming back, half the jerry cans will be full of bullets and the other half will be full of water. So if the police check, they will find the jerry cans with water and let them through and the bullets will be transported all the way to here. When they get here they are sold cheaply. The black market name for the bullets is mawe (stones) or mbegu (seeds). Even guns sometimes are sold from 1,000 to 1,500 Kenya shillings and that is a deal.
Question: What kind of guns are they?
Answer: There are AK-47s, G3s, etc.
Question: They are sold for 1,500 shillings [around US$20]?
Answer: That is why they are using them to rob small things like mobile phones or small businesses like retail shops.
Question: So they are cheap and readily available and make the crime problem worse?
Answer: Yes. Yesterday our two friends left K1 to go home. Immediately they boarded a matatu (taxi) and they were robbed at gunpoint at 2 oclock during daytime. Also, thugs come in groups of 20 to plots (flats). Fifteen of them will have guns, and they will rob the whole plot. Even if you are 100 residents you cannot defeat them because they have all sorts of guns big and small, and they also wear bullet proof [vests]. If you make a small mistake, they do not hesitate to finish you off.
The other problem is the police. If you inform the police about a person in possession of a gun, he will go and get a bribe. For instance if Florence is my friend and I know she has a gun, and CJ is a policeman. If I tell him that she has a gun, he will go to her, and because she has money, she will bribe him and [he will] tell her who reported her and so she comes back to you for revenge. There is no security of information. Instead of people who have guns being arrested, they bribe their way out and come for revenge. You may know that your neighbour has a gun and that it will kill your brother somewhere else, but you can do nothing about it.
Question: How many people do you think own guns in the community if you had to guess?
Answer: Lets say three-quarters. Twenty out of 100 people [sic] have guns because any organized gang group or thugs would have at least one or two guns.
Question: So the people owning or using guns are mostly gangs? Are there people who are not criminals or wont commit criminal acts that own them for security?
Answer: There are those who are licensed. The big traders nowadays may apply for guns due to this insecurity. But these are legal guns. But the problem is a businessman may have that gun and his may not be a clean business so he could be lending out his gun to be used somewhere else. There is also the issue of the criminals who have these guns and the police who too have guns. The police may have them for security, but after some violence has taken place you find that it is the policeman who was in possession of the gun, he is one of the thugs. You can imagine that this policeman may be involved in illegal guns supply or use of guns in an illegal manner. There are three categories of people who have guns and also reservists.
Question: Do you have reservists here?
Answer: Yes, very many of them
Question: You work with the youth. Are they a kind of a target group for using guns?
Answer: Very much. Like those ones who shot [our friends] brother, we were being told that they were so young one could not imagine them with guns. They were between 15 and 18 years of age.
Question: Do they own them or are they given [guns] to use?
Answer: There are two types of ownership, I own a gun so I lend it out, and there are those who form or organize themselves as a gang, and they contribute money and buy guns as their tool of work. It is like the way we would organize and buy a computer. That is how they work.
Question: So for the most part the youth with a gun probably does not own it legally himself but as part of a gang or group.
Answer: Yes. They work in groups of five or ten in a gang. They are very well organized and they commit crimes as a general way of making money. Just to mention, the most lucrative gun business is car jacking. I believe it was most of these young people we talk to and they even share with us what they have done. Young people do most of the car jacking in Nairobi from these slums, especially Kasarani and Starehe. They car jack [then] go around in the vehicle committing crimes. After harassing people and
robbing them, they dump the vehicle somewhere and disappear. |